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Wednesday, April 10, 2013

Does Americans with Disabilities Act really work?

I think this is a good time for us to have a discussion on how to solve Deaf unemployment issues. Let's start brainstorming ideas here, shall we? 

Deaf unemployment is very high, and no one is doing anything about it. That is why we should take some action to end this problem. It's not just about Deaf people who keep getting rejected by hiring employers, it's about you as well... if you're deaf or hard of hearing. Whatever happens to them can happen to you, too.

Americans with Disabilities Act protects our rights in employment opportunities, access accommodation, and the likes. but it doesn't really prevent discrimination and ill-treatments against deafness. It does not make any much difference except that it provides you the right to file for discrimination lawsuit against anyone. The deaf discrimination continues to exist nevertheless. Compare to the past (pre-ADA and good economy), Deaf unemployment rate is still the same. Yes, it's true, we still do have (about) the same expectations as hearing people's, but... aren't we really tired of fighting to death for our more equal rights? Aren't we tired of working twice as hard as our hearing counterparts everyday?

Does ADA really help us at all in terms of employment?

Do you feel that ADA may even prevent some employers from hiring Deaf applicants? I do feel that it may have prevented them from hiring the likes of us for two reasons: the cost of accommodation and the fear of lawsuits. That just makes it worse than it was before the ADA.

I believe ADA does more harm than good to people with disabilities. It forces employers to be responsible to pay out of their pockets for disabled employees' technology assistance and access accommodation. Therefore it makes persons with disabilities less competitive than their counterparts without disabilities. So, wasn't it a smart decision to enact this type of law? What were they thinking, really?

If you have the power to edit ADA or make a new law from a scratch to make employment more accessible to the persons with disabilities, what would it be?

From there, it may give me some ideas to create a petition for strengthening work opportunities that could be more accessible to the Deaf and other persons with disabilities.

Someone once told me that they thought the government should use SSI/SSDI money to build an office building and hire Deaf and people with disabilities. Do you think it would be a good idea? Would it work?

Do you think the government should be responsible for the expenses of disabled workers' access accommodation and/or technology support, not the employers'? Would that make more sense to you?

Any other ideas? What are the best ways to solve Deaf unemployment problems?

https://facebook.com/DeafUnemployment
https://deafcantgetjobs.blogspot.com


45 comments:

  1. i filed a complaint once, for disability discrimination. but the EEOC was comprised of all hearies and former employer had lawyer, so i lost. all i wanted was text teleprompter thingy so i wouldnt get in trouble next time they paged me on the overhead speaker. i didnt hear and got in trouble.. eventually fired. The system protects the status quo, not the oppressed.. just keep filing lawsuits i guess. and writing online..

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    1. Very interesting. Thank you for sharing your opinion.

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    2. EEOC realize no good. Best file for A.D.A. will against the Company no matter.

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  2. This is great but the problem is how can we enforce something when most corporations is in control or have a say so first before anything can be in effect? You pretty much said it here in your words, "I do feel that it may have prevented them from hiring the likes of us for two reasons: the cost of accommodation and the fear of lawsuits. That just makes it worse than it was before the ADA."

    It boils down to money.Deaf people cost more than hearing counterparts. This is a great written blog. Sorry I wish I could think and help out here but as long Corporations is above the Government it's powerless. If I can think of something I will come back and post a comment but appreciated your efforts.

    Maybe it's time to teach the deaf community is get a job with the Government where they enforce the law. Just pass a new law where the government expand more deaf employee.

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    1. Thank you for your honest response. I realize just how difficult it really is to change the situation with corporations being more powerful than the government itself.

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  3. The UK Disabilities act has been abandoned, because it is virtually unenforceable,and the UK government has developed a law that gives employers more rights to hire and fire at will with no comeback. As stated the major barrier is GETTING hired in the first place. We are headed off so we never get an interview. Deaf campaigners are looking at human rights laws we feel the equalities and disability acts are pointless. An equal opportunities commission here was abandoned after they discriminated against women, and refused to follow up hate crimes against the disabled. Each 'official' area had 51% state plants so you could not effectively appeal either because of the vested interests.

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    1. I think U.K. are very ignorant most of time. Keep try to not use oralism to hire them instead deaf employer. Sad the All world make difficult time and big difference years.

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    2. I was lived in Harrow, Middlesex, England last 2005, I forward looking, think so that Food Grocery will accept hire deaf people no problem?

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  4. It will always Hearing 's favor not ours. It is not easy.

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  5. in this computer age when communication is making strides, the deaf are getting more negative affects than positive.

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  6. I think the government should help companies pay for interpreters or whatever accommodation is needed to hire the deaf. Then perhaps they would give more deaf people chances because it won't cost them money.

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  7. I agree with you and we should abolish ADA.

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  8. Indeed.. My husband is hearing of hard and doesn't have SSI and unemployment and I am deaf and have SSI/SSDI is small money and not enough for rent, food or need and bills... We're so frustrating for look application for employment in 5 years and no luck... I am not happy of this is gave us hard time and so patient of us but we did EDD but no luck... I am not in a mood for hard to find a jobs... I think hears against deaf, but I heard from yahoo information that they doesn't want to pay the interprets for pre hours as only interview for hiring...

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  9. Indeed.. My husband is hearing of hard and doesn't have SSI and unemployment and I am deaf and have SSI/SSDI is small money and not enough for rent, food or need and bills... We're so frustrating for look application for employment in 5 years and no luck... I am not happy of this is gave us hard time and so patient of us but we did EDD but no luck... I am not in a mood for hard to find a jobs... I think hears against deaf, but I heard from yahoo information that they doesn't want to pay the interprets for pre hours as only interview for hiring...

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  10. I don't think it would make a difference whether the ADA is abolished or not. It's a matter of awareness and understanding. Most "hearies" do not necessarily understand what issues are presented to those of us who are hard of hearing and deaf. I am hard of hearing with a bilateral severe loss, and yes, I am tired of working harder than those who are not hard of hearing or deaf but you know what? Working hard is a part of life and not only that, but it builds character, endurance, and most of all, insane perseverance. Being hard of hearing makes everything I do more satisfying that I achieved whatever it is with difficulty by overcoming those obstacles. Law school for example. The bar exam will be next in a few weeks, and after that, getting interviews for jobs. I do not like when hard of hearing and deaf people complain. Do something about it then. And, yes, I've applied to SSI without success when I was younger, but I managed to get through that, discrimination throughout my life and other difficulties without letting it get me down.

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    1. I do appreciate your opinion. It's not about complaining. I created this blog to help Deaf/HoH people understand why hearing employers mostly overlook persons with disabilities & that ADA just does not answer to our problems. And also how to find a better employment for Deaf people to avoid being on a dead-end road.

      Lastly but not least, I want them to understand that asking hiring employer to pay for an interpreter is not the smartest thing to do.

      Life isn't easy for all of us that's why I encourage Deaf/HoH to fight harder. Having to work harder than hearing people is not okay; how hard do they really want us to work? Look at how unbelievably high deaf un/underemployment is.

      On the other hand, I do agree with you about stop complaining & do something abt it. I don't believe we need to relay on hearing people. We should be able to build our own economy when starting a business.

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  11. They should automatically hire us and work for 30 days as probation and see if the job really fits

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  12. I think SSI/SSDI should change the rule and allow those who work get increase the limit. For example, in some state you can't earn over 800 dollars per month from work. I think it need to be changed to 1,500 per month so it make it easier for all of us to get through our lives because hearing have earned more money hours than us. I have seen many deaf with MA degree and PH.D degree get low pay than hearing !! Both Deaf and hearing should pay equal based on degree! So therefore, because of that ...limit rules should be changed so we can breathe easier.

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    1. That's why some Deaf I've talked to have decided to be on their own without SSI/SSDI. Would they be able to re-apply for SSI/SSDI if they lose their well-paying job?

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    2. Hi STerras,
      Have you watched movie called "Music Within"? Richard Pimentel's movement, the one who got ADA passed. Let me know if you have watched this movie.

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    3. Hi STerras, I am grateful that you have post this blog to stir up to get some attention for some ideas. I totally support your enthastic but Please watch "Music Within" and we can discuss further with more ideas. I felt like I am the only one who want to make that change in America for our Deaf community. I am glad you felt the same. I will keep a look out for your response after you have watched that movie.

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    4. I am glad we are on the same page. I will definitely watch the movie & then respond to you.

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    5. Hello STerras, Have you watched it yet?

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    6. Seen it yet? what are your thoughts?

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    7. Have you watched movie "Music Within" yet? It is really good. It also helps us to understand that ADA does not help the Deaf community much.

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  13. I had applied many online applications (I hate online) and paper applications to 300 different companies. None at all to call me for interview. What is the world going on? Did you know that DARS counselors didnt help with deaf/hard of hearing people for a job? DARS counselors backed off and wait for the pay checks. I will sue DARS and ask state representatives and senators to investigate against DARS.

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    1. Well, they are supposed to help u find a job. I suggest u find other employment agencies for the deaf who can help u.

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    2. What if it is only one place within the distance? And next nearest employment agencies that specialized for the deaf could be 200 miles away in next big city?

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    3. Well, that would be tough. Like you said, you should file a complaint against DARS.

      While they are not helping you, start with volunteering, ask your friends/relatives if they know anyone who is hiring (small business owners may be the best option). Applying for jobs online are too competitive these days. We have to do something else that we haven't done before.

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  14. I am an advocate and case manager for the DHH community in SW Washington state. It is my job to help DHH people find jobs and understand how ADA helps them.
    ADA is legislation that guarantees DHH people will be given equal communication access with hearing people. ADA is set up to prevent discrimination against disabled people. It IS NOT a law promising that DHH people will get jobs. Deaf people still need to have important job skills that will qualify them for the job they want.
    The problem is mainly that DHH people are not graduating from high school with basic reading, writing and math skills needed for employment. Many DHH leave high school without passing a General Education Development (GED) test that is required to get a HS diploma. If you don't pass the GED, most businesses will not hire you.
    I try to find jobs for many DHH who also have a history of criminal activity or long periods when they did not work. Employers don't like to see those on any application. It is difficult to find work if you have a felony record or did not work for a long time. DHH people who are out of work and getting SSDI should be doing volunteer work in a field they like, so they can get real life experience and add the experience on their resumes.
    Don't blame the ADA for employment problems in the Deaf and hard of hearing community. The problem is education. If you don't have a HS diploma, enroll in a program that will help you pass the test. ADA guarantees that you will have a free interpreter for school, but you have to go to school and study if you want to pass the GED and get a good job.

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    1. Really? What about college educated deaf? What do you have to say about that?

      The problem is never about education. Employers do not want to be burdened with accommodation cost responsibilities & liabilities. ADA is what pushes employers away from deaf even more.

      Education is not what gets you a job, it's the experience that gets you a job.

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  15. Deaf people saying it is ok if they have to work harder, that it makes them better--obviously it could encourage abuse:

    "Let's dump all the dirty work on the deaf employee!"

    However, I knew someone who worked as an editor. While all the hearing people were talking, she focused on work and she was kept when the others were let go. So, in that one job instance working harder was a successful strategy.

    Having instructional workshops for managers and bosses to teach them how to work with deaf persons is important. Deaf people have so many situations that hearing people would never experience and would never imagine.

    Many times hearing people don't want to work with deaf people because deaf people make noises. Maybe they slurp their coffee, or fart, or make breathy noises. I knew a lot of deaf students like that. They don't know they are making noises. They grunt, or snuffle, or hum. It can gross hearing people out. No one might ever tell them about this so they would be unaware. Also, tapping other people to get their attention--hearing people don't do this, and it might be an adjustment for them to work with someone who does. I have known deaf students who do this almost constantly.

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    1. I'm deaf but also wear hearing aids, so I am very aware of the noises I make that I don't do that in front of people.

      I find it so interesting that some people always come up with excuses for hearing people who don't want to work with deaf people.

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  16. Hmm. It is easier to find a job, it is just harder to convince them to hire u.

    It's not the situation where interviewer can decide whether to hire or not, it's more likely stereotype of other deafies that did the bad thing. That could make next deafie seems like he could be another same problem in the past.

    For example, I was a job coach and this situation came up from the hospital where I had a deaf client working in billing office, not very hard job to do, very simplified tasks to do, really. I went in to find out whats going on. This person believed that she should get pay on her first job. I explained it takes about a two weeks to process it through and then it will be available on every payday. She was so adamant that she quit on the first day! Her former employer actually said this, "So that is how deaf people will be like? Thanks for reminded me not to hire them again. Gee, someone else was right!"

    Sometime, it was something that Deafies did and they immediately thinks all the Deafies are the same!

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    1. Unfortunately, that's another one added to the challenges we face in finding employment.

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  17. There is no affirmative action requirements in the ADA. the ADA is 80% non-deaf rules. IRS firm 8826 might help

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  18. simple solution is all those became deaf at early age or born deaf should get ssdi starting at $2,000.00 monthly, not ssi,at the age of eighteen and for rest of thier life...with the techologies that most companies will required emplyees to hear and speak...

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    1. I doubt that would even happen in USA.

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  19. Pre-ADA established in 1990 no more hiring deaf employees keep downsizing less and less and less since then....

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  20. It like we don't exist in this country I'm having hard time finding is because my hearing aid making me look like retard so hearing people tend to forget what the hearing aid for duhh !! So ADA won't do jack shit cause I went through nothing happen so like I said deaf don't exist in AmerKia

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  21. Fuck America that all I gotta say !! They tell me we don't exist !! Now I know

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  22. One of these day Deaf people will walk hard

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  23. my brother is Deaf, was first job in jewellery until 5 weeks then fired.
    that's pretty true and problem my brother Deaf unemploye is back and long time again.

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